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Vapor barrier

I have read that with me putting two layers of 1 1/2 inch foil-faced rigid foam with staggered joints on the outside walls, I don't put a vapor barrier on the inside.

Now on my low-slope roof, I have 2x12 rafters. Starting at the top, I have:

Shingles-
15 lb. felt paper-
ice shield over the full roof-
1/2 inch plywood sheathing-
1 5/8 inch air space to vent-
1 inch foil-faced rigid foam, caulked at the edges-
1 1/2 inch foil-faced rigid foam, caulked, with staggered joints-
2 inch foil-faced rigid foam, caulked, with staggered joints-
5 1/2 inch Roxul insulation.

Do I put the vapor barrier on the inside?
Thank you.
Gary

Asked by gary ovens
Posted Sep 13, 2017 6:20 PM ET
Edited Sep 14, 2017 3:53 AM ET

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Gary,
The short answer is no -- you don't want to install a vapor barrier on the interior of this assembly.

The justification for interior vapor barriers -- a justification which has little scientific basis -- is that an interior vapor barrier keeps sheathing dry by preventing outward vapor diffusion during the winter. In the type of roof assembly you are describing, the exterior rigid foam keeps the sheathing warm and dry all winter long. (If the sheathing is warm, condensation and moisture accumulation are impossible.) So you don't need interior polyethylene.

(Interior polyethylene can cause problems during the summer, since the polyethylene prevents the roof assembly from drying toward the interior.)

Your roof assembly has a total R-value of about R-47 -- perhaps a little less -- with about 57% of the R-value provided by the exterior rigid foam. That is a robust roof assembly for all climate zones except Zone 8, so you should be fine unless you live in a very cold location.

For more information on this type of roof assembly, see How to Install Rigid Foam On Top of Roof Sheathing.

Two more points:

1. I assume that your stack-up includes a layer of plywood or OSB roof sheathing between the bottom layer of rigid foam and the 2x12 rafters. Is that correct?

2. When you install the Roxul mineral wool in the rafter bays, remember that the mineral wool batts have to be in direct contact with the roof sheathing. One way to do this is with steel wires designed for the purpose.

Answered by Martin Holladay
Posted Sep 14, 2017 4:07 AM ET
Edited Sep 14, 2017 4:10 AM ET.

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martin i,m not sure you under stand my assembly but the rigid foam is under neath the 1/2 inch sheathing.I have 1 5/8 vented air space then the rigid foam in the rafter bays and then the batts tight agianst the foam

Answered by gary ovens
Posted Sep 14, 2017 7:01 AM ET

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Gary:

Where are you located.

Answered by Steve Knapp CZ 3A Georgia
Posted Sep 14, 2017 7:13 AM ET

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The vented air space doesn't affect Martin's answer. The vent space provides a path for the roof deck to dry, and to purge any minor air leaks in your cut'n'cobbled foam. A vapor barrier on the interior isn't necessary to keep the fiber dry- the foam-R/fiber -ratio is sufficient to keep wintertime moisture accumulation to acceptable levels.

Adding a vapor barrier on the interior would prevent the fiber insulation from drying, reducing rather than enhancing the resilience of the assembly,

Answered by Dana Dorsett
Posted Sep 14, 2017 7:27 AM ET
Edited Sep 14, 2017 7:28 AM ET.

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i am in northern michigan

Answered by gary ovens
Posted Sep 14, 2017 8:12 AM ET

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Gary,
I guess I did misunderstand. I assumed that the rigid foam layers were continuous layers that covered the entire roof. Instead, it sounds like you cut the rigid foam into narrow rectangles and inserted the narrow rectangles between the rafters (the cut-and-cobble approach).

Installing the rigid foam in continuous layers would have been much better. If you are still at the design stage -- if you haven't built this roof yet -- you might reconsider your plan.

If the roof assembly is already built and insulated, it will work -- even though you'll have thermal bridging through the rafters.

As Dana Dorsett noted, my answer on the polyethylene is unchanged.

Answered by Martin Holladay
Posted Sep 14, 2017 8:21 AM ET
Edited Sep 14, 2017 8:22 AM ET.

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