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Typar vs Zip

I was thinking about using the Zip R system sheathing on my house - removing old clapboards, insulating the wall from the exterior and then installing the ZIP R. I just attended a seminar with a Typar house wrap rep who basically said Zip was no good - is not surfactant resistant and not much more that felt paper glued to OSB. But of course this is coming from the Typar rep. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of each?

Asked by Michael Mohr
Posted Sep 13, 2017 1:26 PM ET

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There are a plethora of YouTube videos conducted by Huber (ZIP) and DuPont (Tyvek) panning their competitors products. I know Tyvek isn't Typar but its a similar product. Here's my opinion based upon these videos.

A: Overdriven/improper fasteners with both products can cause bulk water to seep through the sheathing into the wall cavity.

B: Improperly applied tape with regards to both products can allow bulk water to get into the wall cavity.

C: Neither product is waterproof (in fairness I don't think either claims to be) so bulk water that is being applied constantly and never ending (an unlikely scenario imo) will soak through.

D Warranty. Huber offers a 30 yr warranty whereas DuPont offers a 7-10 yr warranty (I don't remember which) for their Tyvek product. What warranty does Typar offer?

My biggest takeaway from these videos is that paying attention to details and experience most regardless of which product is used.

My two cents.

Answered by John Clark
Posted Sep 13, 2017 2:06 PM ET
Edited Sep 14, 2017 7:16 AM ET.

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Michael,
For a full discussion of the pros and cons of a wide variety of water-resistive barriers (WRBs), including housewrap and Zip sheathing, see this article: All About Water-Resistive Barriers.

If you are worried that your WRB won't resist liquid water, the best improvement to your wall assembly is to include a rainscreen gap. The inclusion of the rainscreen gap is more important than the small differences in WRB performance between Typar and Zip.

For more information about rainscreen gaps, see All About Rainscreens.

Answered by Martin Holladay
Posted Sep 13, 2017 2:30 PM ET
Edited Sep 13, 2017 2:31 PM ET.

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Martin,
I was planning on using the Obdyke Slicker rainscreen, so it sounds like either product will work. Should I be worried about the surfactant claim by Typar or the fact that Zip is less vapor permeable? Or as I've read the permeability isn't all that important since whatever sheathing used in semi-permeable at best anyway?

Answered by Michael Mohr
Posted Sep 13, 2017 3:06 PM ET

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IMO, both are good products, the Zip tape is awesome. I also believe that Zip R has the foam on the wrong side of the OSB, thus your awesome Zip tape better be installed perfectly. Unfortunately is usually installed with creases, bends, overlapped in the wrong direction, applied to dusty and/or dirty panels, etc., etc. As John said, it’s about a quality installation.
In our experience in the South and Southwest, I rather specify regular taped Plwd/OSB AND 1" taped rigid foam on the outside, for about the same price as the Zip R. If you tape the rigid foam with an approved taped, it becomes a WRB. Having said that, we install Tyvek for double WRB insurance. Nowadays, due to labor shortage, our builders may have to wait a long time to get masons or siders, so the Tyvek protects the foam.
The rainscreens we use are 1x4 for fiber cement siding, and Tyvek StuccoWrap and JumboTex60 for stucco and thin veneer cladding. Due to price, occasionally we use Slicker. Stone and brick get 1” air gap.

Answered by Armando Cobo
Posted Sep 13, 2017 4:15 PM ET

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Michael,
Q. "Should I be worried about the surfactant claim by Typar?"

A. In my opinion, no -- especially if your wall assembly includes a rainscreen gap.

Q. "Should I be worried about the fact that Zip is less vapor permeable?"

A. The permance of the sheathing sometimes matters -- especially if the sheathing isn't protected by a layer of continuous insulation on the exterior side of the sheathing. Sheathing permeance matters more when walls are very thick -- for example, in a double-stud wall -- than when a house has a conventional 2x4 or 2x6 wall. If you are worried about sheathing permeance, you could choose a sheathing material like fiberboard or gypsum sheathing. For more information, see these three articles:

Wall Sheathing Options

Monitoring Moisture Levels in Double-Stud Walls

How to Design a Wall

Q. "I've read that permeability isn't all that important since whatever sheathing used in semi-permeable at best anyway?"

A. Again, some types of sheathing (diagonal board sheathing, fiberboard, or gypsum sheathing) are much more permeable than OSB or plywood. That fact sometimes matters.

Answered by Martin Holladay
Posted Sep 14, 2017 8:16 AM ET

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So with possible concerns about vapor permeability of the sheathing, inward solar drive, etc. - the house is in climate zone 4 - I'm planning to remove the old wood siding, spray foam the walls (full 4" studs) with Thermoseal 1200 open cell which will give me a cavity R value of 21.5 +/-, then Zip R 1" sheathing with an R value of 3.6, then the Obdyke slicker rain screen and either cedar or fiber cement siding. Any concerns with code compliance on r value, moisture in the walls, wet sheathing, etc.?

Answered by Michael Mohr
Posted Sep 21, 2017 11:38 AM ET

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Michael,
No particular concerns with your plans.

Answered by Martin Holladay
Posted Sep 21, 2017 1:15 PM ET

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If you're re-applying clapboards, why do you think you need the new layer of sheathing that comes with the Zip? You could just insulate and then screw vertical strapping through the insulation into the studs for clapboard nailing. Thus getting rid of the time and expense of both the Zip and the Obdyke, and ending up with a more robust rain screen with easier nailing (Obdyke and clapboards can be a pain in terms of consistent nail drive depth).

Answered by Dan Kolbert
Posted Sep 22, 2017 6:47 AM ET

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Oops - just read your last post. Didn't see you were removing sheathing. In that case, the Zip-R makes more sense.

I would, though, recommend playing with some Obdyke before committing to a whole house of it. We typically only use it for shingles - with clapboards we find it easier to set vertical strapping. Could be either 1x3 spruce strapping or just strips of 3/8 or 1/2" ply if you want a thinner rain screen.

Answered by Dan Kolbert
Posted Sep 22, 2017 6:50 AM ET

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The house actually doesn't have sheathing now, clapboards are nailed directly to studs. I'm taking it back to the studs to re-insulate from the exterior, then adding the Zip-R. Thanks for the insight on Obdyke - I had thought about vertical strapping but with the 1" sheathing I'm aready thickening the walls so I was mainly using the Obdyke to keep the rain screen thinner. I believe it's 1/4". But maybe ripping some 3/8" plywood would work. Any concerns on the plywood, would you think it needs to be more of a marine grade?

Answered by Michael Mohr
Posted Sep 22, 2017 7:43 AM ET

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"But maybe ripping some 3/8" plywood would work. Any concerns on the plywood, would you think it needs to be more of a marine grade?"

- No need for marine grade because the strapping will easily dry whenever it gets wet.

Answered by John Clark
Posted Sep 22, 2017 8:06 AM ET

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No, if don't reasonably well it should stay dry. And of course the whole point of the rain screen is to let things dry out. including the rain screen itself.

Answered by Dan Kolbert
Posted Sep 22, 2017 10:45 AM ET

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Any advantage to using a product like the Cor-A-Vent SV-3 strips instead of wood? More expensive I'm sure but appears to offer some advantages with air flow through it in both directions, integral bug screening. etc.

Answered by Michael Mohr
Posted Sep 22, 2017 11:10 AM ET

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I haven't used it. I'm sure there are, but whether it's worth the added expense and labor I can't say. It's easy to get too obsessive but its function is pretty simple.

Answered by Dan Kolbert
Posted Sep 22, 2017 12:55 PM ET

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