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Efficient shower stall design: Airflow?

So I'm kicking around ideas for efficient shower designs. Our master bath will have a shower stall that is recessed with three tile walls, and one glass wall with a glass door panel more or less flush with the side of the bathroom.

The glass wall will have three parts; two stationary panels and a door in the middle.

I would like to have the stationary panels go floor to ceiling and have the door go very close to the ceiling in an effort to reduce the amount of airflow through the shower. This should reduce cold air drafting and make for a more comfortable shower for a given water temperature.

Does anyone have any advise on how much area should be left open at the top of the shower? I'm planning a ventilation return to be located in the shower near the ceiling, so there should be a steady slow flow of fresh air coming in, but I'd like to keep from letting any hot steamy air out. I also don't want it to get like a sauna and be hard to breathe.

Searching the web only led to designs suggesting the shower should be sealed completely, which I'm not a fan of. I'd like the ventilation return to pull air through the shower to dry it out after use.

Asked by Lance Peters
Posted Dec 6, 2017 11:12 PM ET
Edited Dec 7, 2017 5:51 AM ET

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Lance,
I don't have enough experience to answer your question. GBA readers?

Answered by Martin Holladay
Posted Dec 7, 2017 5:40 AM ET

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I have two suggestions.

1) If you know the airflow you plan for the return in the ceiling (I assume that's for an HRV system or the like?), you can size the gap for a pressure drop that is small compared to the pressure drop in the duct run, so it won't have much effect, or on a simpler rule of thumb like 2 square inches per CFM. (See the comment section in http://lakesideca.info/blogs/dept/musings/return-air-problems)

2) It might be nice to be able to experiment. One way to enable that would be to have the top of the door lower than you expect you need it, and then have a trim piece above it that you can change to adjust.

Answered by Charlie Sullivan
Posted Dec 7, 2017 8:19 AM ET

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Thanks for the replies. Charlie, you are correct, it would be a return for the ERV.

I think I'll experiment with our current shower and see how that goes. I have a large cardboard box I need to get rid of, so maybe I can fashion a baffle out of cardboard and mount a small computer fan in it to simulate the return air flow.

Answered by Lance Peters
Posted Dec 15, 2017 9:24 AM ET

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Lance,

I have the type of shower you are describing in my master bath. Ceiling height is 9 feet, and the shower glass is about 7 feet tall.

For a short time after we moved in, the shower did not have the glass partition. Just a shower curtain. It was quite drafty and uncomfortable. Once the glass was installed, the experience improved dramatically. When the shower is on and the door is closed, it is quite comfortable.

Answered by Steve Knapp CZ 3A Georgia
Posted Dec 15, 2017 9:31 AM ET

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Our master bathroom is 14x6'. No partitions at all. Shower is at one end, floor slopes to linear drain. Once the hot water runs for a few seconds, room is toasty. We run the hrv boost during a shower. Even With two shower heads on, it doesn't get foggy. I think you only need doors to keep water from getting stuff wet, not to stay warm. I suspect anything close to a complete enclosure will be too steamy. We also have heated floor, but often don't bother with turning it on.

Not having to clean glass doors is a plus.

Answered by stephen sheehy
Posted Dec 15, 2017 10:33 AM ET
Edited Dec 15, 2017 10:34 AM ET.

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Steve K.,

Thanks for sharing. Our house will have 9 foot ceilings as well, minus a service cavity for wiring etc. I'm debating having the bathroom and closet ceilings dropped to 8 feet to facilitate ductwork, plumbing vents and the like. It would be nice to have the ceiling flush through the shower to the rest of the room as well.

Stephen S.,

We are in the cold end of Climate Zone 6A. It was -4F Wed. night and -2F this morning. We usually get several stretches of even colder weather in Jan/Feb.

Part of my motivation to keep the hot humid air in the shower and out of the bathroom is concerns of condensation. We will have a window in the bathroom and I wouldn't want it to accumulate condensation every time we take a shower. I haven't decided on an ERV yet, so a boost mode may or may not be an option. I would like to think we could get by without a boost mode, and a dedicated bathroom fan is not in the plans.

Answered by Lance Peters
Posted Dec 15, 2017 11:22 AM ET

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Lance: We're in zone 6 also. With a well insulated, tight house and triple pane windows, we don't experience window condensation even at sub-zero temps. In the bathroom, of course we get condensation on the bathroom windows during showers, but running the hrv boost eliminates it pretty quickly. If you want to confine condensation to an enclosed shower, won't you need a big fan to avoid too much fog while showering?

We have a service cavity above the bathroom ceiling which made it easy to run pex and hrv ducts. By using raised heel scissor trusses, we have high cathedral ceilings. But on the entire north side (kitchen, bathrooms, mechanical room and entry) we have 8'4" ceilings under a service cavity in conditioned space. That made installation of wiring, plumbing, minisplits, hrv, etc. simple.

Answered by stephen sheehy
Posted Dec 15, 2017 11:49 AM ET
Edited Dec 15, 2017 11:52 AM ET.

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Great info, thanks for sharing! Looks like our builds will have much in common, minus the cathedral ceilings.

Answered by Lance Peters
Posted Dec 15, 2017 11:53 AM ET

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Hi Lance: Larry Schlussler, owner of Sun Frost high efficiency refrigeration manufacturer, has designed efficient shower concepts. Check out his blog summary at:

Answered by Jan Juran
Posted Dec 15, 2017 2:24 PM ET

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