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Fans in the Attic: Do They Help or Do They Hurt?

Homeowners in hot climates need to understand the difference between whole-house fans and powered attic ventilators

Posted on Oct 26 2012 by Martin Holladay

There’s a lot of confusion surrounding attic fans. Here at, we regularly receive e-mails from homeowners with questions about attic fans: What’s the purpose of the fan in my attic? How often should I run it? Do I need a bigger fan?

Before addressing these recurring questions, it’s important to define our terms. First, we need to distinguish between three different types of ventilation fans.

The most common kind of residential ventilation fan is one used to provide fresh air for building occupants. Examples of this type of fan include the fans in a heat-recovery ventilator (HRV(HRV). Balanced ventilation system in which most of the heat from outgoing exhaust air is transferred to incoming fresh air via an air-to-air heat exchanger; a similar device, an energy-recovery ventilator, also transfers water vapor. HRVs recover 50% to 80% of the heat in exhausted air. In hot climates, the function is reversed so that the cooler inside air reduces the temperature of the incoming hot air. ) or an energy-recovery ventilator (ERV(ERV). The part of a balanced ventilation system that captures water vapor and heat from one airstream to condition another. In cold climates, water vapor captured from the outgoing airstream by ERVs can humidify incoming air. In hot-humid climates, ERVs can help maintain (but not reduce) the interior relative humidity as outside air is conditioned by the ERV.), as well as some types of bathroom exhaust fans. (For more information on this type of ventilation fan, see Designing a Good Ventilation System.)

Whole-house fans are sometimes confused with ventilation fans that provide fresh air. Unlike a ventilation fan, a whole-house fan — an attic-mounted fan that exhausts air from a home at night — is designed to cool a house (that is, to lower the indoor temperature).

A powered attic ventilator has a different purpose: it is designed to lower the temperature of an attic by exhausting air from the attic and replacing attic air with outdoor air.

At the risk of oversimplifying, whole-house fans are good. Powered attic ventilators are bad.

Whole-house fans

Whole-house fans are used to cool a house at night, when the heat of the day has passed and the outdoor temperature has dropped enough to feel comfortable. When should you turn on a whole-house fan? The answer depends on your climate and your comfort range. The outdoor temperature should certainly be below 80°F — or, better yet, below 70°F.

The main advantage of using a whole-house fan instead of an air conditioner is to save energy. A whole-house fan usually draws between 200 and 700 watts — about 10% to 15% of the power drawn by a central air conditioner (2,000 to 5,000 watts). If evenings are cool enough, it’s fairly easy to lower the temperature of your home and your furniture with a whole-house fan — sometimes in less than an hour.

Whole-house fans are intended to be used in homes that are not air-conditioned. It makes no sense to introduce lots of (potentially humid) exterior air into a house at night if you intend to turn on an air conditioner the next day. If you're using your air conditioner, keep your windows closed, 24 hours a day, so that the air conditioner isn't faced with an increased latent loadCooling load that results when moisture in the air changes from a vapor to a liquid (condensation). Latent load puts additional demand on cooling systems in hot-humid climates. due to exterior humidity entering the house at night.

In most cases, a whole-house fan is mounted in the attic floor, above a rectangular grille in the ceiling of a central hallway. Once the outdoor temperature cools down — usually in the evening or early morning — the homeowner opens a few downstairs windows, closes the fireplace damper, and turns on the fan. (The wall switch that controls a whole-house fan should be properly labeled so that it isn’t accidentally turned on during the winter.)

The fan pulls air from the hallway and blows it into the attic. Since whole-house fans are relatively powerful — they are usually rated between 2,000 cfm and 6,000 cfm — they quickly exhaust the hot indoor air, allowing cooler outdoor air to enter through the downstairs windows. Once the house has cooled off, the fan can be turned off and the windows closed. Most people who have whole-house fans keep their windows closed from early morning until evening, so that the cool air inside the house doesn’t escape.

You need enough attic vents to let the air escape

Since a whole-house fan blows all of the hot air from the home into the attic, the fan won’t work effectively unless the attic has large openings to exhaust the hot air. Most old-fashioned whole-house fans require more attic venting than the minimum amount required by the building code — anything from a little more to about twice as much, depending on the size of the fan.

Here’s the rule of thumb: you need one square foot of net free vent area for every 750 cfm of fan capacity. The vent area can be made up of a combination of soffit vents, ridge vents, and gable vents. If the vent has insect screening, remember to make the opening 50% larger than the rule of thumb dictates. It’s better to have too much vent area than not enough.

Manufacturers of ridge vents and soffit vents provide information on the net free area of ventilation per linear foot of their products; for example, the Air Vent website lists different ridge vent products that provide between 9 and 18 square inches of net free area per linear foot of product.

How do you size your whole-house fan? The traditional recommendation is to choose a fan that can move between 15 and 20 air changes per hour (achACH stands for Air Changes per Hour. This is a metric of house air tightness. ACH is often expressed as ACH50, which is the air changes per hour when the house is depressurized to -50 pascals during a blower door test. The term ACHn or NACH refers to "natural" air changes per hour, meaning the rate of air leakage without blower door pressurization or depressurization. While many in the building science community detest this term and its use (because there is no such thing as "normal" or "natural" air leakage; that changes all the time with weather and other conditions), ACHn or NACH is used by many in the residential HVAC industry for their system sizing calculations.). If you’re aiming for 15 ach, that means you need to divide your home’s volume by 4 to obtain the cfm rating of your fan. If your ceiling height is between 8 and 9 feet, just multiply the floor area of your house by 3 to obtain the cfm rating of your fan.

Where does a whole-house fan make sense?

If you live in the right climate, whole-house fans are a great way to keep your house cool. In the U.S., they make more sense in the arid West than in the humid Southeast, since most homeowners don’t want to invite lots of humid air into their homes.

Whole-house fans make sense in areas with cool nights. If you live somewhere where the temperature stays in the 80s all night long, a whole-house fan won’t help you much.

However, even if you need to seal up your house and turn on your air conditioner during the hottest months of summer, a whole-house fan may be useful during the spring and fall seasons, when nights are cool but days remain hot.

A few caveats

Whole-house fans make sense in some, but not all, homes:

  • They don’t make sense for homes in neighborhoods where security concerns prevent homeowners from leaving their windows open.
  • They don’t make sense for homes with a furnace or water heater in the attic.
  • Because they depressurize a home, whole-house fans can cause atmospherically vented appliances located inside a home — for example, a gas-fired water heater — to backdraft. If the homeowner remembers to open plenty of windows before turning on the fan, backdraftingIndoor air quality problem in which potentially dangerous combustion gases escape into the house instead of going up the chimney. probably won’t occur. But the best way to avoid backdrafting problems in a house with a whole-house fan is to make sure that the house doesn’t have any atmospherically vented combustion appliances.
  • Whole-house fans represent a big hole in your ceiling — a hole that is likely to leak a lot of heat during the winter unless it is properly sealed.

Finally, it should be noted that some homeowners complain that whole-house fans are noisy. However, newer models of whole-house fans — especially the Tamarack HV1000 — are quieter than traditional whole-house fans with higher cfm ratings.

Sealing up the big hole

There are two ways to address the “big hole in the ceiling” problem. One solution is to build an insulated box that fits on top of fan. The main disadvantage of this solution is that you have to climb up into the attic twice a year to install it and remove it.

One document posted online — — includes instructions for building a “box cover” for a whole-house fan. Unfortunately, the document suggests that it’s acceptable to build a cover insulated only to R-5. Clearly, that’s not enough insulation.

For a better approach, make a site-built cover as shown in the detail in GBA's CAD detail library. Or you can follow the advice given by Erik North in his blog on building a “coffin” for insulation pull-down attic stairs. (North advises building a box with an R-valueMeasure of resistance to heat flow; the higher the R-value, the lower the heat loss. The inverse of U-factor. ranging between R-26 and R-49.)

The second solution to the “big hole in the ceiling” problem: buy a whole-house fan from Tamarack.

Tamarack fans

of Buzzards Bay, Massachusetts, makes the best whole-house fans available. Since Tamarack fans include motorized doors insulated to R-38 or R-50, you won’t have to climb up into your attic twice a year to wrestle with an insulated box if you install a Tamarack fan.

You can choose between two models of Tamarack whole-house fans. The is rated at 1,150 cfm and draws just 70 watts. It costs $579.

has two speeds (1,150 cfm and 1,600 cfm) and draws 230 watts at high speed. It costs $859.

Tamarack fans have lower cfm ratings than most other whole-house fans, but the low power ratings confer certain advantages. The fans are quieter; they use less electricity; and they are smaller than other fans, and therefore easier to air-seal and insulate when not in use. Moreover, since a Tamarack fan blows a smaller volume of air than the typical whole-house fan, it usually doesn’t require any extra vents in your attic. Most homes have enough soffit and ridge ventilation to accommodate a Tamarack fan. The HV1000 requires a minimum of 3 square feet of net free vent area, and the HV1600 requires a minimum of 5 square feet.

Of course, since these fans don’t move as much air as a fan rated at 4,000 cfm, you’ll have to run the fan for more hours to get the same cooling effect.

Powered attic ventilators

Now that we’re done talking about whole-house fans — the “good” kind of attic fan — it’s time to address powered attic ventilators — the “bad” kind of attic fan.

Powered attic ventilators are usually mounted on a sloped roof or the gable wall of an attic. Most powered attic ventilators are controlled by a thermostat so that they turn on when the attic gets hot.

The intent of a powered attic ventilator is to exhaust hot air from the attic. The installers of powered attic ventilators hope that the exhausted air will be replaced by outdoor air. They also hope that the outdoor air will be cooler than the exhausted air, and that the effect of operating the fan will be to lower the attic temperature.

The idea is to save energy by reducing the run time of your air conditioner. Installers evidently hope that a powered attic ventilator will save more energy that the electricity required to run the fan.

Well, it's an interesting theory...

Although the logic behind powered attic ventilators is compelling to many hot-climate homeowners, these devices can cause a host of problems. Here’s the basic problem: a powered attic ventilator will depressurize your attic, and it’s hard to predict where the makeup air will come from. Although the “smart arrows” in the sales brochures shows outdoor air entering the attic through the soffit vents, that’s not what usually happens.

In many homes, powered attic ventilators pull conditioned air out of the home and into the attic through ceiling cracks. The net result: powered attic ventilators increase rather than decrease cooling costs.

As the cool air is being sucked out of the house through the ceiling, hot exterior air enters the house through other cracks to replace the exhausted air. The net result: the air conditioner has work harder than ever as it struggles to cool all that entering outdoor air.

Several studies show that even in a house with a tight ceiling, a powered attic ventilator uses more electricity than it saves.

Flue gases get sucked backwards into the house

A more alarming problem: researchers in Florida and North Carolina have shown that powered attic ventilators can depressurize a house enough to cause water heaters to backdraft. Since backdrafting sometimes introduces carbon monoxide into a home, the phenomenon can be dangerous.

John Tooley of Natural Florida Retrofit and Bruce Davis of Alternative Energy Corporation’s Applied Building Science Center in North Carolina conducted a field study to investigate powered attic ventilator performance. According to , “As a result of this research, Davis said that he wouldn’t recommend the use of powered attic ventilators. … The potential for hazardous conditions is particularly high in homes with combustion gas appliances, because the ventilators can create negative pressures that cause backdrafting.”

One of the researchers working with Tooley and Davis was Arnie Katz, : “In most of the houses we’ve tested, the attic fans were drawing some of their air from the house, rather than from the outside. In other words, they are cooling the attic by drawing air-conditioned air out of your house and into the attic. Air conditioning the attic is not recommended by anyone I know as an effective strategy for reducing your bills. ... In one house we tested, we measured substantial levels of carbon monoxide (CO) in the daughter’s bedroom in the basement. The CO was coming from the water heater next to the bedroom, which was backdrafting. The daughter had been suffering from flu-like symptoms for some time. The backdrafting was caused by the powered attic vent fan.”

Like a little boy looking for a job

Researchers at the Florida Solar Energy Center (FSEC) have reached similar conclusions to those reached by Tooley, Davis, and Katz. In an FSEC publication called researcher Subrato Chandra wrote, “Data measured at FSEC and elsewhere show that attics with nominal natural ventilation and R-19 ceiling insulation do not need powered vent fans. Such fans cost more to operate than they save in reduced cooling costs, so they are not recommended.” Of course, if your ceiling insulation is deeper than R-19 — as it should be — there’s even less reason to worry about your attic temperatures.

William Rose, the renowned building scientist and attic-ventilation expert, was interviewed for an article on attic ventilation that appeared in the August 1997 issue of Energy Design Update: “‘Ventilation is like a little boy who goes around the house looking for a job,’ notes Bill Rose ... ‘He can do some things well, but can’t do anything really well.’ … Research suggests that the energy to run the fan for a powered attic ventilator can be higher than the savings in cooling energy. The biggest potential problem, says Rose, is that power venting can cause a negative pressure in the attic. ... He says, ‘One of the worst things that can happen is to draw quantities of indoor air into the attic, and powered equipment is more likely to do this.’ ”

What about solar-powered attic fans?

For some reason, proponents of powered attic ventilators just don’t want to give up. In hopes of answering critics who complain that these fans use more electricity than they save, the industry has developed powered attic ventilators equipped with small photovoltaic panels. They developers of these products proclaim: these fans don’t require any grid power!

Well, that doesn’t really address the problem of potential backdrafting, does it?

Researchers at FSEC looked into solar-powered attic ventilators, and noted that the devices could, in some circumstances, reduce the electricity used for air conditioning. In their report, however, the researchers concluded, “Based on the matching period analysis, estimation of annual space cooling savings are on the order of 460 kWh. These savings have a value of approximately $37 at current Florida energy prices. Given that the costs for the two units was approximately $600, or about $850 installed, the payback of the ventilators is not very favorable at over twenty years.”

My favorite quote on solar-powered attic fans comes from , who wrote, “In my opinion, powered attic ventilators are generally not a good idea, whether they’re powered by nuclear electricity, burning water buffalo dung, landfill-generated methane gas, or directly by the sun…. A solar-powered attic fan … is like smoking cigarettes made with vitamin C.”

What do I do if my attic is too hot?

A hot attic isn’t necessarily a problem. If you don’t have any ductwork or HVAC(Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning). Collectively, the mechanical systems that heat, ventilate, and cool a building. equipment up there, who cares how hot it gets? After all, you should have a thick layer of insulation on your attic floor to isolate your hot attic from your cool house.

If you do have ductwork or HVAC equipment in your attic, the designer and builder of your home made a major mistake. Solutions include:

If you believe that your house has a hot ceiling during the summer, the solution is not a powered attic ventilator. The solution is to seal any air leaks in your ceiling and to add more insulation to your attic floor.

Martin Holladay’s previous blog: “Rating Windows for Condensation Resistance.”

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Apr 11, 2017 6:57 PM ET

Edited Aug 3, 2017 12:09 PM ET.

Note that since this article
by Jon R

Note that since this article was written, solar powered attic fans have come down in price and gone up in power (ie, fewer are needed). Perhaps a 10 year payback in the example given, which is quite good in the green building business.

Also note that solar fans are available in gable vent models that could be installed in push-pull pairs - so no depressurization.

Also note that when the AC is on, stack effect causes a house to pull air from the attic. Exhausting moderate amounts of attic air (as solar fans do) can counteract this, reducing infiltration (my calculations show it to be about right for a vented attic, but either do the calculations or measure the pressures). This pressure balance improvement (and the cooling provided by the air flow) are most significant in the case of a leaky ceiling.

All this being said, I agree that in most cases, air sealing, insulation and adequate soffit and ridge passive vents are most effective.

Apr 12, 2017 4:51 AM ET

Response to Jon R
by Martin Holladay

Powered attic ventilators cause more problems than they solve, so if solar-powered models have gone up in power, that makes them less desirable than ever, not more desirable.

The beneficial effects of solar-powered attic fans, if any, are limited to a subset of houses -- those with airtight ceilings. Most ceilings are leaky.

Installing two gable-mounted fans -- one to introduce outdoor air, and the other to exhaust attic air -- in hopes that this method will eliminate depressurization problems is a fool's errand. The interactions of the stack effect, wind, HVAC equipment with duct leaks, and attic fans are complicated and unpredictable. Adding two more fans to the mix (instead of addressing the real problem, which is the leaky ceiling) is risky.

Solar-powered attic fans hold a strange fascination for many homeowners, especially homeowners who are worried about their attic temperature. I don't recommend the use of solar-powered attic fans, but logical arguments aren't always enough to dissuade homeowners from buying and installing them.

-- Martin Holladay

Aug 12, 2017 10:27 PM ET

Edited Aug 12, 2017 10:32 PM ET.

Attic Fans Again
by Carlos Gonzalez

We just had our shingles replaces with white energy-star shingles, and had the attic floor insulation brought up to code. We told the roofing company not to remove the attic fan. We keep it turned off at the fuse box, to keep it from potentially causing other problems. We have a pretty good AC system that we only run occasionally through the day to remove humidity and generally cool the air to maintain reasonable comfort - probably 15 to 20 minutes at a time. We keep the inside temps in the 80s, again, depending on comfort.

We use ceiling fans.
The AC handler is in the attic. We're not planning to move it right away. Maybe in the future if/when the unit needs to be replaced.
We are in West-Central Florida, a couple miles from the water. Daytime highs in the summer range from 89 to 94, as we have frequent afternoon showers, and slight breezes from the water. Humidity is generally miserable.

Recently we have found that by opening the (east-facing) garage door in the afternoon and turning on the attic fan, the house seems to be cooled a bit, without turning on the AC. The opening to the attic from the garage has been left open, and the attic fan is quite nearby the opening, so obviously we're pulling outside air directly into the attic. (The effect with the garage door closed seemed to be slightly negative, at least unhelpful.)

Any thoughts/suggestions? (Sorry to beat a dead horse.)

Aug 13, 2017 5:52 AM ET

Edited Aug 13, 2017 5:53 AM ET.

Response to Carlos Gonzalez
by Martin Holladay

You are living in a poorly designed house. Your house has many problems. You have developed a work-around -- a way to reduce the problems associated with the design flaws of your house. While this type of work-around may help, it would be better to solve all of the design problems.

You don't mention whether your house has an atmospherically vented gas water heater. If it does, depressurizing your attic with the attic fan is risky, even if the garage door is open.

If the time ever comes when you can afford to fix your home's problems, you need to convert your vented unconditioned attic into an unvented conditioned attic. Here is a link to an article describing the work: Creating a Conditioned Attic.

Aug 13, 2017 10:35 AM ET

The cost of a conditioned attic is high- it may not be worth it.
by Dana Dorsett

Carlos already spent the money on a brand new cool-roof shingle and bringing the attic up to code. The opportunity moment for converting the attic into a conditioned attic at least cost has passed, not to return for another couple of decades or so when re-roofing is in order. A few inches of re-used rigid insulation above the roof deck and batts of fluff between the rafters is less than half the cost of doing it with a combination of spray polyurethane &/or spray polyurethane + fiber blown in mesh.

The cool roof + code compliant attic-R has reduced the radiated heat from the ceiling to manageable levels, and humidity is the primary comfort issue. But having the ducts & air handler in the hot attic means as a system the AC is running at very low "as-used" efficiency. Since humidity is uncontrolled when the AC isn't running a significant duty cycle it stays uncomfortable even at lower temperatures. But humdity in most houses can be reasonably conrtolled with point-source cooling. While a small window AC unit that runs a high duty cycle will fix most humidity issues, a single right-sized mini-split that runs nearly continuously (but at lower power than window units, operated in "dry" or "dehumidify" mode if not keeping up with the humidity in normal cooling mode) would provide more comfort, and more quietly to boot. The key is to right-size it for the load, but find one that can modulate down to very low levels so that the duty cycle is quite high, even when set to 80-85F.

A right-size mini-split will cost a LOT less than a conditioned attic, and a good one will operate at twice the as-used efficiency of a typical oversized central air conditioner, even if the ducts were inside the insulation & pressure boundary of the house. A single stage AC unit operates at well below it's nameplate efficiency during the first 8-10 minutes of a cycle, and doesn't reach it's steady state nameplate efficiency until it's been running 12-15 minutes. Used only 15-20 minutes at a time (as reported) would yield pretty low average efficiency, probably at lower efficiency& more energy use than a half-ton window unit that runs several hours per day, keeping up with the humidity.

How big is the house, and how many tons (what is the BTU/hr rating) of AC?

Apr 28, 2018 1:52 PM ET

Edited Apr 28, 2018 2:03 PM ET.

Attic Fan (roof mounted type) and ceiling shutters ?
by rustytoolss

When I was about 16 my father installed an Attic power vent fan. We had a small house about 1000sf. The house had a removable cover to get into the attic. If the entrance cover was left open, and the fan came on. You could fell the rush of air being pulled into the attic.
Present day. I have a 3 level spit house. With a semi catherial ceiling on the middle floor ( house is about 1900sf). My house gets very hot in the summer/ like an oven (NE Ohio)/ 85* plus.When I use My AC it never shuts off/ cant keep up. Even if I run the AC for several days in a row. The AC will not shut off.
The AC system is very old. But does work. A three level split house is very hard to heat and cool , I've been told.
The house has an old non working power attic vent fan.
What would be wrong with replacing the power attic fan. And installing a set of ceiling shutters like whole house fans use ?
I remember the days at my parents house. And the Attic power vent fan pulling all the heat up and out of the house.
I'm sure you will tell me it's a bad idea. Just as a note : We usually only run the AC when it is so hot that we just have to (which is not often). My wife is on blood thinners so she is always cold/ even though I want the AC on. I don't use it often , so that she will not be cold.
Whats wrong with a large CFM attic power vent fan (say 1400-1600 CFM) and a set of ceiling shutters ?

Apr 28, 2018 3:58 PM ET

Edited Apr 28, 2018 4:05 PM ET.

No Soffit vents
by rustytoolss

Just asked about using a power attic vent with shutters.
But I have another question. My house built in 1965 3 level split NE Ohio. Does not have any soffit vents. The house has been resided with vinyl (poorly done). I do not know if the house "HAD" soffit vents before residing. But all of the soffit area is covered with solid ventless soffit.
For venting there is 1 gable vent, 1 turtle vent, and 1 non working power attic vent, this is on the upper level (bedroom section).
On the middle level (living room/kitchen)(this section of the house has a semi catherial ceiling) . There is a ridge vent, and one turtle vent.
During the winter In the middle (livingroom/kitchen) section I will get some ice dams . This happens were the two levels of the house meet.
I've looked at other houses in the area. Some do have soffit vents/ some do not. Should I install soffit vents. Or just add more turtle roof vents ?
Or will the old covered up soffit vents continue to work (if I had any)(i'm sure that the siding/soffit work is not all that air tight). Just not sure what to do.
As I stated on my other post. The house gets oven hot in the summer. And the few times I use my AC. It can not keep up /and never shuts off.
Any help you can give me would be great, on both topics. Thanks

Apr 28, 2018 5:09 PM ET

Edited Apr 29, 2018 6:15 AM ET.

Response to Rusty Tools (Comment #106)
by Martin Holladay

Q. "What's wrong with a large CFM attic power vent fan (say 1400-1600 CFM) and a set of ceiling shutters?"

A. There is nothing wrong with whole-house fans. That's why my article give advice on sizing, installing, and using these fans.

Apr 29, 2018 6:31 AM ET

Response to Rusty Tools (Comment #107)
by Martin Holladay

Q. "Should I install soffit vents, or just add more turtle roof vents?"

A. The answer depends on the insulation details (and the airtightness details) of your ceiling assembly. Some cathedral ceilings are vented, and some are unvented. If you don't know what type of air barrier or insulation has been installed in your cathedral ceiling, you'll need to investigate further.

For more information on different ways to insulate a cathedral ceiling, see How to Build an Insulated Cathedral Ceiling.

For more information on the purposes of attic venting and cathedral ceiling venting, see All About Attic Venting.

A blower-door test will tell you more about your air barrier details, and a few small inspection holes will tell you more about your insulation details. But if I had to make a guess based on your description of your home's performance, I'd guess that something is seriously wrong with your air barrier and insulation details -- a common problem with cathedral ceilings.

Q. "Will the old covered up soffit vents continue to work?"

A. If your cathedral ceiling is intended to be vented, you need soffit vents. You can't cover them up.

Apr 29, 2018 10:54 AM ET

Edited Apr 29, 2018 10:56 AM ET.

Reply to comment 106
by rustytoolss

I was not asking about "whole house fans". But asking If I could use a roof mounted Attic power vent fan. And use a set of the shutters (like used with whole house fans). And get the same effect (as a WHFan) , like my fathers house.
I can get a roof mounted power attic vent fan that is 1400-1600 CFM.
Buy the way my attic area is about 750-800 sf.

Apr 29, 2018 12:33 PM ET

Response to Rusty
by Martin Holladay

The advantage of using a whole-house fan (like the Tamarack) is that it includes foam-insulated motorized shutters to limit heat loss. Using a product designed to work as a whole-house fan makes more sense than using a product that is designed to ventilate an attic.

May 17, 2018 3:14 PM ET

whole-house fan with furnace in attic
by jrowen42

Why should whole-house fans not be installed in homes with a furnace in the attic? I was thinking of installing one in my house, but our furnace is in the attic. Is it just inefficient, or is there some sort of danger to that kind of setup?

May 17, 2018 3:55 PM ET

Edited May 21, 2018 11:49 AM ET.

Response to Jrowen42
by Martin Holladay

Q. "Why should whole-house fans not be installed in homes with a furnace in the attic?"

A. A whole-house fan strongly pressurizes an attic, interfering with the combustion process for any atmospherically vented combustion appliance (for example, a conventional furnace or water heater) in the attic.

A sealed-combustion furnace might be able to operate, but I still wouldn't recommend the experiment.

May 17, 2018 3:57 PM ET

There can be a danger, but it depends @ jrowen42
by Dana Dorsett

If the furnace has a standing pilot ignition high cfm fans can blow out the pilot. The potential back drafting even while the burners aren't active can crud-up the burners with rust/grit from the flue, leading to high CO emissions (and lower combustion efficiency) when the heating season arrives, etc.

Condensing gas or propane furnaces with electronic ignition and piped-in combustion air don't have either these issues. If it's getting it's combustion air from the attic it can still backdraft, but the flues are usually plastic, and pretty clean.

Furnaces & air handlers in attics are inherently inefficient even in the best case scenarios and maybe it's worth re-assessing, even if it has a lot of service life left. Is your furnace married to a split-AC coil using the same ducts?

May 21, 2018 11:42 AM ET

Response to Martin Holladay and Dana Dorsett
by jrowen42

Martin: Don't you mean it strongly pressurizes the attic? And does it matter if the furnace can't get combustion air when I'm running the whole-house fan? I don't think I'd ever be running them at the same time.

Dana: I'm actually not sure if it has a standing pilot or electronic ignition, but I'm pretty sure it's getting combustion air from the attic. And I'm not sure what a split-AC coil is, but the evaporator coil is in the same air handler, and the AC and furnace use the same ducts.

May 21, 2018 11:47 AM ET

Edited May 21, 2018 12:30 PM ET.

Response to Jrowen42
by Martin Holladay

Thanks for catching my error. I have corrected my earlier comment.

While homeowners always assume that they won't make an elementary error like leaving the whole-house fan on when the temperature drops, trust me -- every possible error that homeowners might commit does occur. I don't recommend the installation of a whole-house fan in any attic that includes a furnace.

May 21, 2018 12:15 PM ET

Split AC as in, "not a package AC.gas-furnace" unit. @ Jrowen42
by Dana Dorsett

Sounds like the AC coil is in series with the gas furnace, using the same air handler, with the condenser unit located elsewhere, unlike package units where they'are all under the same sheet metal.

With the gas furnace taking it's combustion air from the attic, running the fan will also result in air moving through the furnace's burners and heat exchangers. Find out if there's a standing pilot ignition running 24/365 if you're going this route. Energy regulations for new equipment phased out standing pilots as of 2012, but that was the industry standard type of furnace ignition 20+ years ago.

May 24, 2018 7:15 PM ET

Edited May 24, 2018 7:15 PM ET.

Martin: Thanks. That makes
by jrowen42

Martin: Thanks. That makes sense. And I suppose that even if we're really careful with it, we couldn't guarantee that the next owners would be just as careful if we sell the house.

Dana: Yes, that's right. The condenser/compressor unit is outside, and the evaporator coil is in series with the gas furnace. I think the furnace is original to the house, which was built in 2006. I'll have to check to see what kind it is. But even if the fan doesn't blow out the pilot, I hadn't considered the fact that it would force air back through the vents. Between your comments and Martin's, it sounds like this isn't really the best idea for my setup. Thanks for the input.

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